In a departure from my normal lame travel and food reviews, in an attempt to provide a service to the community today’s offering is a bit different.
This post is to inform people about my experience of applying for a Long Term Social Visit Pass (Pas Lawatan Sosial) in Malaysia – that’s the long name of what I would call a spouse or spousal visa. We went through the process in July 2018 at the WPKL office in Hartamas, also known as Jalan Duta; this post should be considered as only being relevant to my application at this time, and is definitely not any sort of legal advice.
As such, the following is to be treated as informatory (is that a real word?) in nature only. If it helps, I am happy and you are welcome, but you’ll want to make sure you ask people at the immigration office to be certain you are doing the right thing. Enough disclaimers for now and on with the post.
UPDATE: Mohammed has provided a useful comment on his experience at the Shah Alam office, including having to use the Islamic Affairs Department to help with the application. I recommend searching for ‘Mohammed’ to find and read it. Also, if you are interested in how to get a work permit after you get your spouse visa, please go here.
UPDATE 2: Jessica informs me that Richard, the Commissioner of Oaths we used has definitely retired, sorting her documents as the last set he will do! I have therefore included a link to the registry for Commissioners of Oaths. Jessica also sent me the most up to date forms – thanks!
I am a British citizen and my wife is Malaysian; we registered our marriage in Singapore (I will probably do a post on this later including how to register it in Malaysia).
We had the assistance of a Commissioner of Oaths who we paid to help us with the paperwork. With hindsight, that might not have been necessary. While it was helpful to have the forms completed for us, and certainly saved us time, we felt we could have done them on our own. I don’t know whether they generally offer this service, but here is the link to the national registry website.
Whether you opt for help or not, make sure you have the latest forms from the Immigration Office, which will also include a handy checklist. I do have PDF versions of the forms applicable at the time which I can supply again on request (and for information purposes only!).
You’ll hear or see the abbreviation CTC repeatedly both in this post and in real life. This stands for certified true copy and may well be the bane of your life. Other abbreviations are JPN (Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara – the registration office), UTC (Pusat Transformasi Bandar, known by the initials in English for Urban Transformation Centre), and I/C (Malaysian identity card, also known as MyKad).
You have to go to the Immigration Office for the place where you live (unless you are Nigerian or Chinese – citizens of these nationalities have to go to Putrajaya; I am unsure why), along with your spouse. Make sure you have all of the documents ready, as your application will not be accepted without them.
The forms and supporting documentation that I needed were as follows:
Borang (Malay for form) IMM 12. This is a blue and white form which you need two copies of, complete with passport photos (at first I wrote it has to be stamped by a Commissioner of Oaths, but commenter Jeff points out this is incorrect – thanks!). It asks which type of visa you want, for your details, and for your sponsor’s details (see below).
Borang IMM 38. This is a white form, which asks for a few more details about the applicant. You need two copies.
Borang IMM 55. This is a form for extension of visit pass. You need one copy, and I assume it is needed to capture more details about your passport and current visa.
My passport and photocopies of every page which wasn’t blank.
Spouse’s Malaysian passport and photocopies of every page which wasn’t blank.
Spouse’s I/C and CTC by JPN or UTC. You might think the immigration officer could check the card and then make sure the copy is the same. You would be wrong. Fortunately there was a JPN branch in the building when we had to get the CTC.
Overseas marriage certificate and CTC by embassy. You might think the immigration could check the details on the original and make sure the copy is the same. You would be wrong again. Cue a frantic taxi ride to the Singapore high commission by my lovely wife to get our photocopy stamped (total time in vehicle 80 mins, time in high commission 5 mins).
Certificate of registration of marriage in Malaysia and CTC by JPN. You might think…ah, you probably get it by now. Anyway, we were lucky in that there was a JPN wedding branch (different from I/C section) where I queued for an hour to get a stamp, while wife went to the high commission.
A form which makes a declaration under oath about your marital status (including any previous marriages, divorces and children, if applicable). This also needs to be stamped by a Commissioner of Oaths.
Sponsor’s information form. You need a sponsor for the visa who earns more than RM2000 per month (no matter what you earn). They must also attend when you submit the application. This can be your spouse, however.
Security bond form. This details the personal information of the applicant and the spouse, plus makes a legal commitment to pay a penalty in the event the applicant breaks the terms of the visa. The form must be signed by the spouse and witnessed by a third party. The witness must either be present at the immigration office or must supply a photocopy of their I/C. This photocopy must be certified. So you need CTC of their I/C by JPN or UTC… (we didn’t have this and had to ask a kind gentleman to re-witness for us, so be warned).
The bond form has to show stamp duty has been paid. To do this, you have to go to a branch of Lembaga Hasil Dalam Negara (Inland Revenue Board). I did this in advance at one near my flat. The stamp duty is RM10 (so is questionable in efficiency but you have to do it).
Effectively the bond is enforced by taking the money from you when you pick up your visa! It is then returned in the event of divorce, death or attaining permanent residence. The amount depends on which country you come from. For a Brit like me, it is RM1500. Latest details were at http://www.imi.gov.my/index.php/en/visa/security-bond-bank-guarantee-rates.html at time of writing.
A photo of the wedding ceremony. This should be in at least size 4R. We chose one which had us holding the certificate. We were told it should only have the bride and groom in shot, so no group photos.
Sales and Purchase Agreement for your property (sometimes known as SNP), or tenancy agreement if applicable. We were told in advance we only needed to have copies of the front page, stamp duty page, signatures and property details like official address. On the day I had to run out to get copies of EVERY page.
House photos. You need photographs which indicate the place where you are living. We were told to take photos of: the street sign (for us impossible due to the signs all being removed for roadworks); the condo sign; the whole condo; the block in the condo; the front door of the unit; the door plate with the number of the unit; and the living room. We had printed copies of the six we had, and the immigration officer attached these to the application forms. More on why later.
CTC of spouse’s employment offer letter, stamped by employer.
CTC of spouse’s last three months’ payslips, stamped by employer. Actually, they accepted two months’ worth as wife was working in Singapore before then. We also supplied a copy of her by-now surrendered Singapore Employment Pass.
Last three bank statements for spouse, plus CTC by bank. Again, they accepted two from us. The bank charged RM2 per sheet. The bank statements should show a monthly income of at least RM2000.
We also took our original birth certificates and photocopies, Singapore tax filing and statement, and original EPF (Malaysian Employees Provident Fund) statements, just in case. These weren’t needed in the end.
We had a bit of a nightmare with our attempt to submit the application. When we turned up at KL office, the system was down, and the queue was 100 people long according to the number-giver. She therefore refused to give us a number. She said we might be able to be seen at Putrajaya, so we rang to explain our situation, checked the system was working, and drove the 40 minutes over there.
That’s when we found out it was only for Chinese and Nigerian applicants, and the few people (90,000) who live in the federal territory. Next step, call back to the KL office to check the system was working again. They said it was, so back in the car.
When we got back, the system was down again (possibly intermittent) so we sat and waited. At 12.55, we, and everyone, were kicked out so the staff could have lunch.
We came back 30 minutes before the end of the lunch break so we could be first in the queue. This ended up being a good decision, as quite a long queue developed.
We handed over our documents and most were acceptable, with the exceptions as noted. Originally they said we would have to bring them back the next day, but we decided to try that day as we still had 2.5 hours until closing.
Or so we thought. While my wife was away getting the marriage certificate copy stamped and after I had picked up the last available document there, I was waiting for her when – an hour earlier than expected/advertised – all of the officers began leaving.
We were really grateful when the immigration officer who had looked at our file earlier was happy to come back and finish dealing with us (we are really grateful to Umeirah for this). After going through everything again, she had us wait while she entered it in a different room.
When she was done, she gave us a piece of paper which had a return date three weeks later. That was it for visit one. We had been informed that we might have a formal interview during which the officer could test us on our knowledge of each other (luckily, a year ago I trained my occasionally forgetful wife to know my birthday by setting it as her luggage code!), but that didn’t happen.
I went back on my own on the given date and was first in the queue for new files. After waiting a little more than 90 minutes I was called to the cashier and paid. She printed me a receipt and made me get it photocopied around the corner. I then took that copy to another counter after another 20 minutes to swap it for my passport, complete with visa.
When looking into how to apply, I saw on a couple of sites that people were paying additional fees of RM500 or so. That might be due to paying an agent. All we had to pay was the security bond (variable on nationality as above), visa fee (for me RM90, for 6 months) and stamp duty (RM10).
I mentioned the house photos earlier; I was told there was a chance that the Immigration Office might do a home visit to check we were actually living there. Apparently they look for photos of the couple, look in wardrobes to check there are clothes for both of you, and they might even check your saucepans to see if they are being used! It’s all to check you are actually living as a couple.
Anyway, sorry for the long read. I hope you find it useful. All comments welcome. If you are a regular reader, normal service resumed very soon; if you have come just for this, please do stick around to see if you like my reviews, and good luck with your application!
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I stay with my parents home. In the check list need to provide the photo of front home and S&P but that home not under my name. What document I need to provide to immigration?
S&P under my dad name and need go Commissioner of Oaths?
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I’m sorry, I don’t know. Your suggestion sounds sensible but I suspect it will depend on the officer on the day. If you are able to ask in advance that might help you. Good luck.
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Hi,
Did you have to submit copies of utility bills? I recall seeing that in the list if memory serves. Just wanted to know what type of utility bills were submitted during application.
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Off the top of my head, we had copies of utility and official bills. Those were electric, water, Indah water and MPAJ cukai pintu. However I don’t think we actually needed them in the end.
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Hi …
we are just about to start planning our migration to Malaysia, I have started looking at the options, what does your visa enable you to do ? and how long is it valid for?
I was under the impression that I had to go under the MM2H program?
my wife is Malaysian by the way, I am Australian, MM2H has costly financial requirements.
would our kids be included on the same visa application do you know?
cheers mate.
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Hi there. In answer to your questions:
My visa lasts for 6 months and allows me to enter and remain in west Malaysia or Sabah. It does not allow me to work, but I will soon have it endorsed to allow me to do so (hopefully). I will apply for an extension soon, and hope to get 1-5 years.
I don’t think you have to go under the MM2H programme, but it might be advantageous to do so, either because it is easier, lasts longer, or because there are benefits to the scheme. It depends if you can meet the financial requirements. I think most of them are refundable, in the long term. However my understanding is that you can’t work under MM2H.
I’m afraid I don’t know about kids. If they were born in Malaysia, then they should be eligible for citizenship, I believe. However, if they were born overseas, then their mother doesn’t automatically confer citizenship on them (like a Malaysian father would); there is currently a campaign by the Foreign Spouses Support Group to rectify this unequal law. I suspect they would need to have a visa of some sort in that case. Best to check with the immigration office of the state in which you intend to live.
I’m happy to answer any more questions that you have. Good luck with the process!
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appreciate your response, interesting times ahead for sure, I’m confident of a positive outcome though….
good luck with your extension
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hey gypsyjackson I hope you are doing well, I have few questions regarding the extension of the visa,
1- since i live mainly in saudi, how long before the expiration date i can go to apply for extension?
2- can I apply for 1-5 years from the first extension or do i have to extend the visa few times before i can apply for the 1-5 years ?
3- is it necessary for my wife to be present to extend the visa?
4- are the requirement as tough as the first time application?
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Hi Mohammed – I am actually not sure about the extension, as I haven’t yet applied for one! I will try to do so this month and will write a post about the experience.
I will try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge, though.
1. I’m not sure. People in the FB support group suggest going at least a month before the expiration date, just in case. I will try 2-2.5 months in advance and see how I get on!
2. I think you can apply for as long as you want, but it will be up to the individual officer how long you get. I hope to get as long as possible.
3. Not at the WPKL office, where I was told by two different officers that only I need to go. We will see.
4. They certainly don’t require as much paperwork. Just a few forms, I believe. It should all just add to your file.
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thank you.
Good info, i will wait for your confirmed info though and i will try to confirm from my side as well
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Hi
currently i’m working with EP (Employment Pass) for 2 years now and with 2 different companies , current Employment Pass will expire in 1 month and I want to apply for spouse visa so i can start doing independent work as a trainer . Do i have to wait till 6 months pass from marriage date before I can applying for spouse vise ?!
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Hi. I didn’t have to wait six months, but I have been told that some immigration officers (possibly in particular offices, such as Shah Alam) enforce this ‘rule’. So it probably depends on which office you use, and then maybe which officer you get on the day. Best to ask at your local office if you can.
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yup the do request for you to be married at least 6 months in shah alam
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Hi Mohammed – I just wanted to follow up on the extension. I went along to get the documents, and they told me I would have to bring my wife (as opposed to before when they said I wouldn’t). I then went back to try to get the extension done early, and they said I had to wait until the last month of validity. Not a roaring success! However I did manage to make some use of the time, and I will post about that very shortly.
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Hi. I am married to an Indian. Planning to apply for spouse visa for my husband. I am just a tutor, with no payslips. Can I be considered to sponsor my husband?
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Hi there. Don’t say ‘just a tutor’, be proud of it! Tutoring is important.
I’m not sure how that would be viewed by immigration – can you show invoices or bank statements that show you make the required amount? If so, then you might be OK. Probably best to ask at your immigration office; and to have a back-up plan in case you need it. Good luck!
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Hi,
Im Malaysian and Im marrying an Indian citizenship. So will they officer accept my bank income statement if I work in Singapore? And if I still continue to work there? But my spouse and myself stay in Malaysia JB (Johor Bahru). Or do I have to be employed in Malaysia? Please advice. Thank you.
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Sorry for not replying sooner. I actually don’t know what the deal is for commuting to Singapore – it would seem silly for them not to accept your payslips and bank statements, but it is hard to be sure. Best for you to ask at the Johor office. Good luck!
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Hi. What type of paper do i need to prepare for spouse visa? I want to apply in the next month. Thanks
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Sorry, I am not sure what you mean. I have spelled out in considerable detail what I needed in the post above. Please read it and feel free to ask specific questions if anything is unclear. Thanks.
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Hi,
You mentioned in your comments that your visa doesn’t allow you to work for six months, but you hope to get it endorsed, is this possible within the six months?
Thanks for this post, it’s helpful..
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You’re welcome.
With apologies for not giving a full explanation now, into brief, the answer to your question is yes. I am in the middle of writing another post about that which I hope to publish tomorrow (spoiler alert etc). This will address this question at length.
As a side note I hope I didn’t phrase my comment exactly like that, as it would be misleading. More accurate would be two separate statements: my spouse visa is for 6 months; such a visa (I believe of any length) says on it words to the effect of not permitted to work. The Foreign Spouse Support Group on FB is campaigning for these words to be changed as they are inaccurate or at least not entirely accurate.
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Hi Mai,
Here is the post on spouse visa endorsement to work: https://wordpress.com/post/gyppotravelreviews.wordpress.com/6748
I had it endorsed in month 4 of its validity.
Hope that helps.
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Hi can I have the commissioner of paths that you are using? Thanks !!
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Sure – please leave your email and I will get back to you this afternoon. Please note he did inform one commenter on here that he retired, but he should have contacts.
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hi my address is iihappy82ii@naver.com
thanks!
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My pleasure – just sent the email. Good luck!
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Hi Sir,
Thanks for sharing the experience, it really useful and helps a lot. Can i ask that do you have the copies of the form that you summited? I have some difficulties on fill in the form too. Please send me a copy if you don’t mind, thanks.
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Hi, I’m glad it’s useful. Do you mean do I have copies of the actual forms I wrote on? If so, I am afraid not. I have PDF copies of the IM forms, though. If you would like those, then please leave your email address.
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Sorry for the late replied.
bosh4lu@gmail.com
Please send me a copy of the IM forms if you dont mind, thanks a lot!
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I’ll try to send them this afternoon. Sorry about the wait but I have been out of the country.
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Hi can i have the contact and charges of the commissioner of oath that helped u ? My email is pheihow@hotmail.com
Thank you very much
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Sure, I will send these through shortly. Please note I have heard from one commenter that he has retired, but he should know someone who is still active.
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Hello,
Thanks for the post. Very informative for newbies such as me. Was wondering if I could ask you a question though. Am an expat currently working on an employment pass which is valid until mid 2020. Would I be able to apply for a Spouse Visa but also retain my Employment Pass? Any directions, advises would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance
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You’re welcome, and thank you for the kind words.
As far as your question goes, my understanding is that you can’t hold an employment pass and an LTSVP at the same time, I’m afraid. However it would be best to check this with your local immigration office to make sure.
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Hi was wondering if the house brought for ourselves to stay, needs to have the foreign spouse name and name of the malaysian spouse. As we do not have so much moola to buy a RM 2 million house for us to put both our names on it. Can we both work in singapore. As we may consider staying in johor bahru?
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Hi there! I don’t know what the rules are in Johor. However not in KL – ours just has my wife’s name. I would hope that Johor office would allow people to work in Singapore and commute, as it would bring money into the state. These things are rarely so clear cut, though. Best to pin down where you want to reside and then speak to the local office. Good luck!
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Thanks for your reply on this.
Can I also ask, the time frame you waited for between your visit to submit documents and the given date to collect back the documents.
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It was three weeks.
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Hi there,
Thank you so much for sharing.
Me (Malaysian) and my boyfriend (Non-Malaysian) are planning to marry soon, then settle and live in Malaysia after years of long distance relationship.
My boyfriend wants to get the chance to find a job and work legally here in Malaysia prior his time here. However we wish to speed up the procedure instead of waiting for like 6 months after marriage and another 6 months which not allow to work after getting the Spouse Visa which is 1 year! (OMG)
May I know which office you went to apply for the Spouse visa?
Thank you for your help.
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Hi Becky,
Congratulations on the marriage plans. I can definitely empathise with you as we went through the LDR too. Much better to be together!
We applied at the KL office at Hartamas, as we have a KL address. You have to apply to your resident state’s office.
In terms of timing, I applied for the LTSVP 2 months after marriage (and got it) and applied for endorsement to work after another 4 months (and got it). I will have to renew both in future. The rules seem to be different for different states, though.
Good luck!
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Hello ,
I heard u can only apply after 6 months of marriage, u did apply after 2 months and straight away get the LVSP ?? And ur work permit??
Like may i know how u convince the officer to proceed ??
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Yes, I applied after only 2 months and was successful, then applied for the work permit less than 6 months and was successful again. I didn’t do anything to convince the officer, just completed all the forms as normal!
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And can i have d commission oath contact?? What kind of documentation he get done for u ya ?
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I see you have left your email on the next post. I’ll send the details on for you. He helped with all the forms, and quadruple checked everything for us!
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where to find this commission of oath. can u give details
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Leave your email and I will pass them on.
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Hi, my boyfriend (Indian national) and I are looking to get married this year but we also have an additional obstacle of him being on a general work permit here and under the immigration law, he isn’t allowed to marry a Malaysian before cancelling his work permit and returning to his home country. The duration of how long he has to remain in his home country before he returns to Malaysia to register our marriage here is something I am uncertain on since I’ve read multiple conflicting answers, ranging from immediately to 6 months. I am just curious as to what kind of visa did you enter Malaysia on before applying for the LTVP. I have been told he has to return on a tourist visa, register our marriage and leave Malaysia for another additional 6 months before we can apply for the LTVP. As you can understand, we are reluctant to be apart for that long and I was wondering if there was a way for him to remain in Malaysia after our ROM until we apply for the LTVP. Luckily my IC address is a KL one and I understand the KL office isn’t very stringent regarding the 6 month wait before applying for the LTVP. I’m an auditor and financially secured enough to sponsor his LTVP so I don’t think that would pose an issue.
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Hi – I entered on a tourist visa, 2 days after marrying in Singapore, and went with my wife that day to register the marriage at JPN Putrajaya. 2 months after that – without leaving – I applied for the LTSVP at Jalan Duta.
I did not have to leave, but I didn’t have the wrinkle of the employment pass to smooth out, and I’m afraid I don’t have any experience to pass on to you on that, therefore.
Did you ask at the office, or get your information elsewhere?
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I have been piecing together information from the immigration websites and news articles. Really glad I ran into your post because it has given me some clarity on the issue regarding the documents required for ROM in Malaysia and application of LTVP. Our only obstacle currently is the presumed return to his home country for 6 months before he can legally return to Malaysia to register our marriage here. I’m hoping there is some misunderstanding on my part regarding this, because it really doesn’t make sense that he needs to return and stay in his home country for 6 months just to apply for a tourist visa. An agency I emailed gave me contradicting information to what I read on the news article, saying he could return immediately on a tourist pass whilst the foreign spouses support group on Facebook told me that I had to wait the 6 months before he can return on a tourist pass. I am hoping to go to the immigration office here in Jalan Duta to find out more some time next week so fingers crossed I hear something positive from them. May I know what was the duration of the tourist pass you entered on?
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I did the same thing – tried to put it together using the disparate information that is out there. However there was a lot of conflicting data, so I decided to put out what I found was the reality for me. Sadly, people’s experiences do vary with this, as state by state (and apparently officer by officer) they seem to have different policies under the same legal framework, but they don’t make those policies clear. I definitely found it easiest to ask at Jalan Duta – some of the desk sergeants who triage the queue are very helpful – but then I had the time to visit whenever I needed, so it was easier for me to get the info I needed.
I agree it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever for people who have just got married to then have to separate for 6 months – I suppose with perhaps the possible exception of those whose marriages have been arranged for them and want to have a period of reflection. It would be interesting to hear what they have to say at JD; it definitely didn’t happen to me, but the work pass wasn’t a factor.
Good luck when you go to JD; if I were you I would not ask any questions about the duration of any returns unless they don’t give you the information you need. If you say 6 months they might just say yes!
In answer to your question, I entered on a 3 month visa on arrival, which is standard for people from the UK. I didn’t need a special visa.
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Hi, i was just wondering if you have to be early to the jalan duta immigration office? we went to the shah alam immigration office and the crowd is crazy as it starts as early as 5am. The officers told me they only issue 20 queue numbers a day and we went a few times and was unable to obtain any queue number as well.
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Fortunately, Jalan Duta doesn’t work on the same basis. I have heard horror stories about Shah Alam, including a seeing a photo of about 100 people queuing at 4.30am.
At Jalan Duta, I have found it is generally better to go after lunch. There is a bit of a queue, but not to the Shah Alam level, and the only time they haven’t given me a ticket was when the system was down, or when I was deemed too early to apply. If your postcode starts with a 5 then I would definitely try using Jalan Duta. Good luck – it sounds like you need it.
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One more point – I hear on the Foreign Spouse Support Group that Shah Alam has an app that allocates a few numbers a day. It’s called powerQ. I haven’t ever needed it, but some people think it is good.
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Pls sir am a nigeria citizen and my wife to be is coming to my country so we can get married and i will join her in malaysia.pls my question is after our marriage and we go to putrajaya at imigrasion office. Will i be granted spouse visa or pls can you tell me more i need to know about this….. UKAIGWECHIBUIKE@YAHOO.COM. this is my email for more information pls.. thanks….
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Hi there – congratulations on your upcoming wedding. I assume your wife is Malaysian.
The first thing you’ll need to do is to register your marriage with JPN, which you can do at Putrajaya. I have a post on that coming up at some point soon.
After that, then you can try to apply for the spouse visa. As you note, Nigerians have to do this at Putrajaya. I assume if you meet all the criteria and can provide all the documents requested, then I don’t know of any reason you wouldn’t get a spouse visa. However, Putrajaya might have different waiting periods or more difficult criteria; I simply don’t know.
Good luck with the application.
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Hi – this is immensely helpful. I’m just applying for a visa for my British husband and 2 kids. Could I ask, you mentioned your wife was your sponsor, do they require the sponsor to be employed in Malsysia? I’m currently on maternity leave so am planning to provide payslips from my UK company. Would that work?
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Hi – thanks, I’m glad it is useful. I’m not certain if the sponsor has to be employed in Malaysia, or if they would accept overseas income (I understand they do accept overseas income for MM2H, though perhaps I shouldn’t confuse the issue). My wife was employed in Malaysia but only just, so we only had 2 Malaysian payslips. The problem you might face with UK payslips is that the immigration office loves a stamp on a document, and they might insist the payslips are stamped by your company! Good luck, and do let me know how you get on.
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Thank you very much. Just so you know, I went to the KL immigration dept and was told I needed to go to Shah Alam as my postcode was a Selangor one. You’re right in that requirements defer by state. Shah Alam were really quite helpful. I think going in advance to check things does help.
Could I ask, for your security bond form, did you get the stamp duty done before completing it? Bit confused as to what I need to do with that form. Grateful for your advice.
Thanks
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I’m glad Shah Alam was good for you, as previously I have only heard horror stories about queuing etc.
The way we did the security bond form was a bit unusual – we got a friend to witness for us, then took the form to LHDN and paid the stamp duty. A few days later we went to the immigration office, and they told us we needed the IC of the witness. That was why we asked someone there to rewitness for us. We didn’t need to get it restamped.
That means it was complete in the eyes of LHDN before stamping – I’m not sure they will stamp a blank form as they are effectively registering a contract.
Technically we then amended the paper under the instructions of immigration. With a less friendly officer, I don’t know what would have happened.
If you need your sponsor to be with you when you go immigration, then I would use him/her as your security bond witness. That way no-one has to lend you their IC which might be illegal anyway.
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That’s helpful, thanks. I could get one of my family members to witness this but will they be classified as a third party is what I’m nervous about. What do you think?
In Shah Alam, for a foreign husband, only the wife can be a sponsor. It doesn’t matter if she’s working. If working provide payslips, if not provide copies of bank statements. I’ve said I’m not working in Malaysia to keep things simple. That’s the case anyway.
In addition to that, if you are living with parents or in their property, you don’t need to provide a rental contract. You need a utility bill and a certified copy of the owners IC.
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I think from people’s stories on FB that they prefer family members to witness. Doesn’t seem right to me, but that is what has been said.
Very interesting on Shah Alam re foreign husbands. What if it’s a young couple without much money? In laws can’t help?
That last point will be very reassuring to some people who have asked about living with parents. Thanks very much for letting me know!
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Just realised you were thinking of trying to act as sponsor yourself, sorry – did they say that would be allowed?
If so, you might find it useful for your security bond witness to visit JPN or UTC and get you a certified copy of their IC, if they are kind!
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You mentioned “My passport and photocopies of every page which wasn’t blank.”
I was at the same Jalan Duta and queried the counter & was told they needed every page of the passport including blank ones. I’m just wondering whether these folks were being pedantic & overly prudent when in fact they only want photocopies of every page which wasn’t blank.
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Useful to know – this is a good example of how different officers apply different ‘rules’. I actually had copies of every page and they gave the blank ones back to me!
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Hi thanks for your write-up. It is very useful. We are in the process of applying as well. The checklist does not say that IMM12 requires to be CTC by a Commissioner of Oaths. Secondly, the checklist says they require 3 photos, but there are only 2 areas in IMM12 that requires us to put our photos. Did you face the same discrepancy as well?
Thirdly, is the foreign spouse passport requirement for all printed pages require to be CTC?
Fourthly, how particular are they with the pictures? Must they be printed from a photoshop or can we do print the pictures from a printer at home?
Last but not least, were you required to produce a Cabutan Sijil Perkahwinan on top of your Marriage Register CTC?
Thank you.
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Hi Jeff,
Thanks for the kind words. In answer to your points:
1. You’re right that there doesn’t seem to be any box for the Commissioner of Oaths to stamp on the IMM12 form, but I wrote down that he did at the time. Either I miswrote, or perhaps he stamped the photo. I’m afraid I don’t recall now (a lot has happened for me in the last nine months) – perhaps you could update me when you have done it? I would then update the post and credit you.
2. As I recall, I needed three photos of me and one of my wife. Two for the IMM12s, and one of each of us for the declaration of marital status. We actually ended up getting a few extras, because the guy who advised us told us we would need more each time we renewed.
3. I didn’t need a CTC of my passport – however the UK is Commonwealth like Malaysia, so won’t issue or CTC some documents; perhaps that worked in my favour, or perhaps I just got lucky!
4. I’m not sure on the photos – we used the photographer at JPN who took them to specification for us. She asked what type we needed and changed the background for us (to blue, I think). It didn’t feel like they would accept ordinary printer paper, but if you have photo paper at home, I wonder if they could tell the difference.
5. We had to bring both our Singapore and Malaysian wedding certificates and copies (CTC). I think the Malaysian certificates we have are effectively extracts of the marriage register, but I don’t know.
I hope that’s helpful. Good luck with your application!
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I can clarify on item 5. It depends on which immigration office you go to and whether it is specified in their submission checklist. The immigration office in Shah Alam requires an extract of (cabutan) the Malaysian marriage certificate (it costs RM50) whereas Jalan Duta office doesn’t require it (only the original and CTC).
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Thanks very much Teejay!
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Dear Gypsyjackson,
Just to confirm that no Commissioner of Oaths to stamp on the IMM12 form was required.
Thanks again though for the information you have provided. It was very helpful.
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Ah thanks – I’ll correct my post. Cheers, Jeff.
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Hello Jackson!
We have a question. We just got our marriage certificate. Would you recommend us to do it ourselves or hand it over to any of the commissioner of Oaths?
Happy days!
Ken
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Hello Ken,
With hindsight, had we had lots of information about the forms and the process, we wouldn’t probably have paid for help, and would have done it ourselves. I think it depends on confidence – if you are confident you’ll get it right, then you probably don’t need help. However, if you want to be sure to get it right first time, then you might want to pay.
Good luck!
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Hello Jackson!
Thank you for your kind reply! Would you mind to share with us your information about the forms and the process? Is it easy to be done by yourself if you can. We have heard the interview section for first time application is challenging and important. We are thinking of getting a little help from agency so they can support us on what do not say or should say etc. It will costs us about Thousand Ringgit.
Ken
Best regards
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Hi again – sorry, I thought I had replied on this but I guess it was mangled somewhere.
If you mean can I send you the forms that I have, of course – just leave your email. The info in the post is probably as detailed as I can be!
We didn’t have a formal interview, so I can’t say how hard it would be. The desk officer just went through our forms.
RM1000 seems really high for an agency – most that I have heard of cost half of that or less. Especially as all they can do is complete the forms for you – you still have to go to the office etc. If one of you speaks BM, then that seems a huge rip off.
Let me know what you decide, though.
All the best.
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Hello Jackson!
Appreciate that so much! Yes please kahsenga@gmail.com. Thank you mate!
Ken
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Now done – sorry it took a while!
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Hello, thanks for the info. As for the security bond stamping, do they stamp on an empty form? or a filled up ?
also, can you please hook me to the Commissioner of Oaths?
Thanks
Audrey
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Hi Audrey.
They stamp a completed form – need all the details, I think.
Happy to pass you the details, just leave your email address here.
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kindly provide the information and handbook. I am husband of a Malaysian citizen and would like to apply for long term social pass.
email: Swaroopraj1881@gmail.com
Thanks in advance.
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Hi there. The information is in the post and the comments, really – unless you want something specific. But when I get home I’ll try to email you the documents I have. Good luck with your application!
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Hi Jackson,
Your post in very informative. Thanks for posting out. Perhaps you can answer my few questions.
1. Can the spouse be the witness of the security bond?
2. As my current home belongs to my late grandfather. He is the owner and all the utilities bills are under his name. So what sort of document should I submit? Any clue?
Thanks,
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
Thanks very much for your kind words. In answer to your questions:
1. I think it has to be a different person. If it could be the spouse, that would be a lot easier.
2. Sorry for your loss. I think you will have to get the bills transferred into your name. I spent a while last year driving around Syabas, MPAJ and TNB to change names on bills. Generally it was quite easy, though a few took return visits.
The other document which might help is a letter of probate. It has been a while since my mother died, but I remember it being a useful document for working with officialdom in the UK. I don’t know if there is something similar here – you could possibly check with the executors of your grandfather’s estate.
I hope that’s helpful; good luck.
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Hi Jackson,
Thanks for your prompt replied 😉
Continued with the Q2: As I have purchased a house recently but it will only be completed on year 2022. Would it be possible to submit my SNP for the new house? Or it has to be the current home that I living now?
Thanks,
Elaine
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Hi Elaine – sorry, I was out of the country and missed a few comments. It has to be where you live in case they come to visit you for a check.
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Hi Jackson,
I was thinking of applying for spouse visa next month (June), I was hoping if you could answer a few questions for me.
I’m an Australian citizen (born in Malaysia), I married my Malaysian wife late last year.
I live in the KL area.
1.) how long was the total process? (did you have to make several trips? days? hours?)
2.) what payments did they accept? (card, cash)
3.) where can I get all the necessary forms.
4.) I see you got a 6 month visa extension, is it possible to apply for a longer period or do you have to get the 6 months first?
5.) If you go out of the country within 6 months, how does the visa work? Do you forfeit the remaining time? a reapply again?
6.) Is there a minimum grace period for you to be married to apply for this visa? (we’ve been only married for around 6 months)
You can email me here: cornflick@gmail.com
Thanks for your time.
– Adrian
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Hi there – sorry I missed this while I was out of the country. On your questions:
1. Each trip takes a couple of hours. I went in advance to get the paperwork each time. Completing it the first time is the tricky part; after that it is repetition. Also for the first time you have to come back in a few weeks for your passport and visa; extensions were done while I waited.
2. Cash – but I now gather they take Maybank cards.
3. Only from the office. I will email you the three forms I have, but some of the real ones are numbered.
4. You can try to apply for more. I asked, but didn’t get. I was told that they would give two six month extensions and then consider longer, but that our then-on-the-way baby might change that. Some people say it is more whim than policy based, so just go for it!
5. No, you just come back in – or at least I did. Mine is multiple entry; I gather that some nationalities are only given single entry, but I haven’t heard of that happening to Australians. They still give you a stamp like VOA, but the date is written in to correspond with your LTSVP.
6. I got mine within 2 months. Lots of people online talk of grace periods, but that wasn’t my experience. Usually they talk of 6 months anyway, so you should be OK!
Good luck with your application.
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“When looking into how to apply, I saw on a couple of sites that people were paying additional fees of RM500 or so. That might be due to paying an agent. All we had to pay was the security bond (variable on nationality as above), visa fee (for me RM90, for 6 months) and stamp duty (RM10).”
With a UK passport, you get a 3 months visa for Malaysia. But for some nationals, it’s only a month or less . Given that the immigration’s TAT is up to 30 days, it might be internal policy to just issue an extension visa to these nationals. That’s where the RM500 comes from, me thinks.
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Ah I see. The extensions must cost a lot, which seems unfair!
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Hi gypsyjackson, as I’m working in Cambodia, do immigration accept oversea salary slip & bank statement?
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Hi – for us, they accepted Singapore. Hopefully they will accept Cambodian. You might need to get a translation if they’re not in English or Bahasa Melayu. Good luck!
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Hi gypsyjackson, I will be signing paper with my European Boyfriend this month in Malaysia. And I wanted to know is it possible to apply for spouse visa right after my civil marriage or from what I read from others that I have to wait for 6 months before allowing to apply the spouse visa ?
Thanks
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Hi Hailey, I have heard about this 6 month period in the past. However, it didn’t apply to me. I had my ROM in May and got my spouse visa in July, just two months later. I applied at Jalan Duta; other states/offices/officials might apply different processes. Good luck with your application!
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How long it took to get the spouse visa after you have submit it?
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I got mine about 3 weeks afterwards. On the day you submit, they give you an appointment to collect your passport.
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Hi, thank you for your quick respond. I have another question regarding buying property one. Do you have any experience on this?
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Hi, thank you for your quick respond. I have another question regarding buying property one. Do you have any experience on this?
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I’m not sure what you mean by property one, but my understanding of the property purchase rules for foreigners is that there is a minimum purchase price per state (usually RM1m, but Sarawak is I think less, and Selangor is more at RM2m). Our house is below that, so it is just my wife’s name on the deed.
If I find a property I want to buy at a price higher than that minimum, then I can get a loan at 70% finance, 30% deposit. If I were to put both my and my wife’s name down, I might be able to get 80 or 90% finance, depending on what properties she already owns.
Lawyers charge a percentage of the sale price, which is outrageous.
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Regarding the spouse visa, did they required at least after 6 month of married only can apply for spouse visa?
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Not for me – I applied for the spouse visa (in July 2018) successfully just 2 months after I married. However I have heard that might be different for other states, and in fact even KL might have changed now.
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Thank you
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Hi Jackson,
I’m planning to apply LTSVP for my husband. Can you email me IMM 12, IMM 38 & IMM 55 forms? My email is patandeng@gmail.com
Thanks for sharing
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Hi there – I’ve just sent the emails. Hope it goes well!
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Hi Jackson,
Thanks for the guide. It really helps a lot.
There was one item that you mentioned in your article i.e. the Sponsor’s Information Form. Do you know where I can get a copy of this form from?
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Hi Gavin – happy it has helped. The form is called Surat Akuan Penaja in Malay, I believe, and you can get from the immigration office. Some Commissioners of Oaths will probably have spares.
I think you can also get the form from here: https://docslide.net/documents/surat-akuan-penaja.html but it might not be up to date or valid in your state, so maybe best to just get the whole pack from the immigration office.
Good luck!
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Hi Jack, so I just read about your post on how to get spouse visa in Malaysia and working Visa as well and I’m in the same situation now like you before and I have questions in my mind to clarify things .
I’m a Filipino and Soon to be married with my GF in Malaysia .
I can only stay in Malaysia for 1month and I’m wondering if I should get the spouse visa first but I read in your post it will take 3 weeks in your case to get it . Means I can’t stay here anymore and can’t wait for the 3weeks cus I can only stay for a month .
Or I should go take apply visa with reference for husband of Malaysian first to have longer days to stay here and apply the Spouse Visa
What do u think
Hope u can reply me
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Great, ask as many questions as you like.
By coincidence I was just leaving the immigration office earlier today when your query came in, so I tried to ask the corporal at the front desk on your behalf. I wasn’t sure if she understood me, because she first told me you could get a VOA of one month, then she said you had to apply for the spouse visa in the Philippines which doesn’t seem right. However, I think that I am wrong.
You have to actually be married to apply for the spouse visa – in order to get married in Malaysia, you have to go through a process which takes more than a month (https://www.jpn.gov.my/en/maklumat-perkahwinan/pendaftaran-perkahwinan-bagi-pemohon-bukan-beragama-islam/) so maybe that is why she said you should apply from the Philippines.
That way you can get a single entry visa valid for 90 days, which is more than enough to do the marriage process here.
The same goes for a visa with reference. While I don’t know very much about it, I gather you actually have to be married already.
My wife and I actually got married in Singapore because it was easier for us to do that and re-register in Malaysia. Is it easy to get married in the Philippines?
Feel free to ask any more questions.
Good luck!
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Hi Jack, came across your blog link in Fb group. Very useful information. Thanks a bunch for sharing. Indeed a very tedious process but I’m sure it’s worth it. I’m Malaysian and Partner’s Australian. Malaysia is home but travelling in under tourist visa which only gives a maximum stay of 90 days. However, partner’s working in Indonesia and gets to only spend less than 30 days here (for his days off) and we’ve been looking up on this process apart from MM2H (MM2H is out after what we’ve gathered and read)
We’re considering our options available which is not exactly to settle down in malaysia throughout the next 30 years. (Not literally in-line with our future plans)
Do you also know the pros and cons for spouse visa apart from long term stay & multiple visit into Malaysia. Ie : Easier process & eligible to ship in a vehicle. Personal effects is alright, I’ve checked on that. Application for loans from the banks to purchase a vehicle or property (for property, it has to be over 1mil?), starting up a business (no need for local employment), opening savings account in local bank (in malaysia, May it be international or local banks) etc etc.
Long story short… most forms need to be CTC, I read there’s a couple of forms that we need to prepare. (3 different forms can be obtain from their website I assume) apart from the registration & wedding photos, home address, street signs, front door (OMG), condo and etc…
Leaving our email address
jayrach2804@gmail.com
Cheers
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Hi Racheal,
Thanks for your kind words. I’ll try to provide thoughts on the points you raise.
You say partner rather than husband – is that because you aren’t married yet? We got married in Singapore because it was easier for two foreigners to marry there than it was for one foreigner to marry in either UK or Malaysia! Then it took an afternoon to register in Malaysia.
MM2H was of interest to us as well, but we didn’t qualify and as I understand it the benefits have been eroded over the years too. We also considered opening a business, but the most straightforward method was the LTSVP. It is certainly better than crossing the border every three months – though if your partner has to do it for work anyway, then maybe you and he are less bothered! After nearly two years of that I was given an interrogation at the Malaysia-Singapore border; not terrifying, but enough to make me not want to be deported…
If you don’t want to settle in Malaysia, then perhaps LTSVP isn’t for you. You asked about pros and cons, mentioning the multiple entry, long nature – that long term stability is what we are after. It’s also necessary to have five years of LTSVP in order to apply for permanent residence, which is what I would like in time given my young family.
I’m not really sure of any other benefits! I didn’t think I was eligible to ship in a vehicle, as I don’t have an ‘Approved Permit’ (MM2H apparently used to get a one-time AP, but maybe not now, given the tax free car benefit is gone). Personal effects – my shipping company in the UK wouldn’t ship to me until I had the LTSVP so they knew it would be free of customs charges. Banks will loan to me, but it seems only to 70%, meaning I would need a 30% deposit. The minimum price for a house varies by state and can change, but, generally, yes it is RM1m (with Selangor having a 2m minimum in certain zones).
I’m not sure about the business – I did look into it a while ago, but found a job instead. I was only able to open a bank account with a local bank once I started working, not just on the LTSVP. I think I could have had a credit card on our joint account, should we have wanted it. I was also able to set up EPF as well.
Those three forms you mention, we were told you have to pick up from the office. However, in case it helps, I will email copies of them to you later. Generally getting the docs certified can be done at Jalan Duta at one of the sections of JPN, but anything from overseas has to be done at the embassy/high commission of that country.
Coming back to your first paragraph, it was tedious and has been each time of renewal, but it has definitely been worth it! Good luck if you decide to apply.
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Hi Jack,
Awesome, appreciate you sharing these information.
Yes, we aren’t married yet. Partner is best to described our relationship however we’ve spoken about MM2H & LTSVP and settling down. We’re making those 2 comparison on which will be more beneficial to both our future plans and perhaps raising a small family. Future as in from now to 5 years. Reading through your points you shared, it will definitely be a better idea for LTSVP since we both want to make Malaysia our home for atleast the next 3-5 years. Hmmmm, tax free car benefit is gone. (Last we check it was still available. End of 2018)
The forms sure is helpful if you could share them with me. Jalan Duta is just around the corner for us.
Thanks a bunch.
Cheers
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I’ve just sent them over. Hope they help – Good luck with it all!
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Hi ,
Is it necessary to have my Malaysian spouse name in my passport before I start all this process ?
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Hi – the simple answer is that I don’t know, as I was just able to write my wife’s name in to my passport.
My speculation: if you intend to change your passport, then it’s probably better to do it first. I hear they do copy across visa details to new passports, but that would take another visit and perhaps involve providing more sets of documents.
Please let me know what you do and if it is straightforward.
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I found out that you have to add your spouse name to the passport first and then only start this whole process.
Also one quick question, To come to Malaysia to do all this process, should I require a special visa or just a tourist visa would do?
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I was on a tourist visa.
Sorry about delayed response.
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Hi jackson,
How u been.
Im ida and i getting married with my fiance philipino this september 2019.I hv been told by expat immigration that we nee to wait until 6 months after marriage to apply spouse visa. Both of us islam and workinga as Technical support at private company.
His work visa will expired this april 2020 and his passport expired until 2021.
My concern is how many days can apply the spouse visa and how long the process because regarding MDEC rules his visa alredy 3 times renewed then he need to go back to phillipined for cooling period for 3 months then come back to malaysia after
If the spouse visa can finish by time before the visa expired, what i noe his stay in malaysia will follow the passport and spouse visa so no need to go back for phillipines. Do u know where can i get the precise information and do you know about how we gonna prevent the cooling period by use spouse visa.
Thank you in advanced
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Hi – sorry, I have been away.
I applied for my spouse visa roughly 60 days after registering the marriage with JPN. It then took 3 weeks to process.
I think some officers seem to apply this ‘cooling period’ and some don’t; also different states seem to have different rules.
I understand that the work visa is cancelled when you apply for the spouse visa – maybe if you get married before October, you could then try to apply for the spouse visa when the work visa runs out. However it sounds like it could be hard, especially from the Philippines.
Good luck with your application.
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Hi Jackson.
I’m a Malaysian and will be applying spouse visa for my wife. She’s currently on an employment pass which expires next year. Planning to sort out the spouse visa soonest possible. Any idea if there are any waiting period to apply the work permit endorsement once you’ve gotten your spouse visa?
Also could you please hook me up with the Commissioner of Oath who helped you with the documentation?
Thank you!
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Hi there – sorry I missed this comment.
Some people report that they are asked to serve a six month cooling off period in between getting married (or getting the visa) and getting the endorsement. I got my endorsement within 4 months of getting my visa, so it didn’t apply to me.
It’s also not clear to me how an employment visa interacts with a spouse visa – I have heard you have to cancel it before applying. That seems counterintuitive but there it is.
Leave me your email and I will send you the CoO details.
Sorry again!
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Thank you for your reply Jackson! And thank you for summarizing your experience above. It’s really helpful.
My email: tnesh888@hotmail.com.
Thank you and have a good day!
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hi mate, with the amount of replies you made, it reflected at top of google search when I typed “Malaysia spouse visa” . I really appreciate the effort you made for it !
May I know how long it took to process LTSVP please as I am applying for one this week.
How challenging is it to find a job as I don’t speak Malay! I was working in Sheffield for past 7 years.
Thank you and have a good one mate.
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Hi there – I hope it proves useful to you. I didn’t realise Google liked it so much, but I just want to help people in the same situation as I was!
In answer to your specific questions: it took about 3 weeks for my visa to come through. When you apply, if everything is in order they will give you a specific date to return on. This period is for WPKL’s office also known as Jalan Duta; it might be different for other states.
Job hunting is tough, honestly. It can be quite demoralising to send off tens of applications a week without receiving any response. When people do get in touch, then they can seem quite enthusiastic, but things never quite move to the next step. If you are a specialist in a certain area, I recommend looking for recruiters who cover that area as at least you get some human contact. They’ll also help you convert your CV to a more Malaysian style (long and very detailed – I had a 28 page CV for a job we advertised, including results of the local equivalent of the 11+).
Then you have to find an employer who is willing to offer you a job subject to getting your visa endorsed for work. For some, they’d rather get a body in a seat immediately than wait. It definitely puts some employers off. It’s best to come prepared to explain that – other than supplying a few documents – it’s cost free to the employer to get the endorsement and you will take care of it all (well, you and your wife!). It also doesn’t take too long, if the paperwork is right.
You should also be prepared that some immigration officers seem to impose a fairly arbitrary ‘cooling off’ period between marriage registration (or getting the spouse visa) and allowing you to work. This is a very common complaint on the FB Foreign Spouses Support Group, but it doesn’t happen to everyone.
Depending on the field you are looking at, not speaking Malay might not be too much of a disadvantage. Multinationals wouldn’t usually require it, and generally English is the lingua franca. I suppose you can use your job seeking period to learn some! The YMCA offers quite cheap courses (I did Chinese) in a few languages.
Best of luck with it all – feel free to let me know how you get on.
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I really appreciate your reply to my query and it gave me an idea now! Thank you so much !
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Hello! Your post is very informative. May i ask few questions please:
1 . Can we apply to the immigration office in the state where we live? We live at Penang.
2. To save time on the actual application, can we ask the Commissioner of Oath with the documents preparation and advanced stamping of documents?
3. Please share the forms you use.
Thank you so much.
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Sorry about late reply. In answer to your questions:
1. You not only can, you have to! You should apply in Penang.
2. Yes, if you find one who will do it for you (for a fee). The stamping and signatures have to take place with you, your spouse and the CoO all present.
3. No problem – let me have your email address. The forms for Penang may be different though.
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Be happy if can share the contact of Commissioner of Oaths. Will likely to do it in Jln Duta branch as well.
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Sure, leave me your email and I will send it on. There is a CoO at Jalan Duta as well.
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can we just talk brother?
I also married in Malaysia,i have gathered all the papers except the owner ic photocopy where i live in,my home is under agen, so now what can i do?
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I’m not sure, as I didn’t have this problem. Can you ask the agent to get you a copy of the IC of the owner? Or maybe the agent can write a letter and certify it?
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I’m planning to apply LTSVP for my wife. Can you email me IMM 12, IMM 38 & IMM 55 forms? My email is stephenleong1@yahoo.com.sg. Thanks.
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Now done – sorry so late, but haven’t been able to get onto this for a while.
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